Laura Lee Jones

Introduction

In April 2008, Laura Lee Jones sent a letter to David Gates (see chapter 5) that admonished him to rethink his support of Ernie’s dreams. The letter makes a lot of accusations, but like so many other critics, it does not provide any proof.

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 16, p. 215

But there were quite a number who held fast their evil surmisings and clung to the distorted representations made of me, as though these reports were too precious to be given up, although they had not one real vestige of evidence that I had changed. It seemed to be their preference to believe the false reports. I felt deeply grieved that my brethren who had known me for years and had evidence of the character of my labor should continue to remain in the deception they were in and, rather than confess that they had been mistaken, hold on to the same false impressions as though they were truth.

Who is Laura Lee Jones?

Laura Lee Jones is a mother of five children who co-authored a book with her mother titled, The Great Calendar Controversy, which promotes the keeping of Lunar Sabbaths. Laura Lee also promotes the keeping of the Jewish feast days. These two subjects will be covered further in this chapter.

Information most people don’t have

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“I am writing specifically about Ernie Knoll because I have information most people do not know about; but I feel this is a serious enough issue that you need to have the information I have before you make a final decision as to whether or not Ernie Knoll’s dreams are of God.

“I first read his dreams in Feb./March of 2007. At the time, he’d had only three. I will say that initially I was leery. I wanted them to be from God – who wouldn’t?  But I did not want to get deceived so I studied them carefully. There were two problems I found within the first and third dreams.”

Fact
The information Laura Lee claims she has is simply her word. In her letter, she offers no proof to support her information.

God says:

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 11, p. 329

Your words regarding me and my writings are false, and I must say that you know them to be false. Nevertheless, those unacquainted with you take your words as being the words of one who knows. Because you have been acquainted with me, and connected with me, you can state what you please, and you think that your tracks are so covered that they will never be discovered. But my writings have not stopped. They go out as I have written them. No words of my copyists are put in the place of my own words. This is a testimony that cannot be controverted. My articles speak for themselves.

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 9, p. 23

My work has been in the field since 1845. Ever since then I have labored with pen and voice. Increased light has come to me as I have imparted the light given me. I have very much more light on the Old and New Testament Scriptures, which I shall present to our people if my way is not blocked by such influences as the influence exerted by Fannie Bolton. Such a work as hers calls for my pen and voice to contradict her statements, in order to save poor souls from being entirely swamped by her assertion that she has received the Holy Ghost. This is another phase of her desire to exalt herself as ordained by the Lord to bear a message to His people. The Lord did not send her, yet she ran. She will not honor the cause of God, but will mislead others.

Those who have been unwilling to receive the true testimonies of God, notwithstanding that these testimonies have been in the field for so many years, who know not the voice of the Lord, may listen to the voice of a stranger, and receive from a poor, deceived, unbalanced human agent what is supposed to be truth. What is the chaff to the wheat? Know that you are on trial for spiritual life, and accept no delusive sentiments. God save His people from Satan's snare.--Letter 61a, 1900, pp. 4,6,7. (To G. A. Irwin, April 23, 1900.)

Conclusion
Fanny Bolton, one of Ellen White’s secretaries, claimed to know information about Ellen White that no one else knew. She spread this false information and led people to doubt Ellen White’s prophetic ministry. Is it any different today for Ernie?

The table in heaven

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“#1 – In Ernie’s dream of the table in heaven, he stated that he could not see the length of it, in clear contradiction to Ellen White’s statement that the table was ‘many miles in length’ yet they could see the length of it. While this discrepancy was of concern, I did not consider it to be a ‘deal breaker.’ Perhaps his position (sitting at the table) varied from hers (possibly standing at the end?) so that might explain the difference . . .?”

Fact
Ernie could not see the full length of the table because he was reclining at the table. Ellen White did not state that she was sitting at the table.

David Starkey says:

“One of her comments was about not seeing the end of the table in heaven. I asked Ernie about this when it was a new dream. He told me that he couldn't see the end because of his angle with others in the way as they were all reclining. He could, however, see the city within the city when he was flying which was 700+ miles away so I would say that his vision in heaven is consistent with Ellen White's experience.”

David Starkey maintained the previous 4 His People Ministry website and is referred to by Laura Lee in her letter to David Gates (see Appendix M).

Conclusion
If Laura Lee didn’t think this issue was significant and fully realized that Ernie may not have been able to see to the end of the table because of where he sat, why did she mention it? Was it to cast doubt on Ernie’s dreams?

Changing the dreams

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“This was more serious. It was an interpretation of the 144,000 that clearly contradicted what little Spirit of Prophecy had to say about them. The dream is on his website, entitled ‘A View of Heaven and a Message for His People.’ However, the version that is now on there is not the same one I read a year ago – there has been quite a bit of editing done. I wanted to know more about his last conversation with ‘Jesus’ in the third dream and so I called and spoke to him.”

Fact
The matter regarding Ernie’s initial misunderstanding of the 144,000 is covered later in this chapter. His dream does not contain an interpretation of the 144,000. It simply makes a reference to the “perfect square.” It certainly does not contain any contradictions to what Ellen White wrote concerning the subject.

As far as editing of the dreams, at the beginning of the ministry, a few dreams were modified to make them more readable, but the essence of the dreams did not change. The only exception was the “View of Heaven” dream where details were added in the section on music, because Ernie did not remember it all right away. Many times the Lord repeats the details to help him remember. Notice the following example of how Ellen White had the same experience.

Selected Messages, Book 3, p. 442

WHILE MOTHER WAS WRITING THIS BOOK, MANY OF THE SCENES WERE PRESENTED TO HER OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN VISIONS OF THE NIGHT. THE VISION OF THE DELIVERANCE OF GOD'S PEOPLE, AS GIVEN IN CHAPTER XL, WAS REPEATED THREE TIMES; AND ON TWO OCCASIONS, ONCE AT HER HOME IN HEALDSBURG AND ONCE AT THE ST. HELENA SANITARIUM, MEMBERS OF HER FAMILY, SLEEPING IN NEARBY ROOMS, WERE AWAKENED FROM SLEEP BY HER CLEAR, MUSICAL CRY, "THEY COME! THEY COME!"

SEVERAL TIMES WE THOUGHT THAT THE MANUSCRIPT OF THE BOOK WAS ALL READY FOR THE PRINTER, AND THEN A VISION OF SOME IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THE CONTROVERSY WOULD BE REPEATED, AND MOTHER WOULD AGAIN WRITE UPON THE SUBJECT, BRINGING OUT THE DESCRIPTION MORE FULLY AND CLEARLY. THUS THE PUBLISHING WAS DELAYED, AND THE BOOK GREW IN SIZE.

Editing the dreams was a learning process, as it would be for anyone. In a couple instances a description was eliminated because it was causing too much confusion. However, this does not alter the truth in them. Following is an example of why Ernie has the authority to edit the dreams as needed.

Ellen G. White: The Early Years, Vol. 1, p. 270
Why Were the Lines Omitted in 1851?

It may be asked, then, why were the three lines omitted from the printing of the vision in 1851 in Mrs. White's first book? In introducing the vision in the book, she gives a very general reason for all omission--space and repetition of subject matter. This would apply more to the paragraphs descriptive of the new earth than the three lines in question. As to the statement embodied in them, the author herself had the right, even the responsibility, to choose content and wording for her book that would correctly convey what was revealed to her. If there were phrases that were capable of distortion or interpretation to mean that which she did not intend to teach, she had the privilege and even the duty of handling the matter in such a way that the printed account would correctly reflect her intentions.

God says:

The Acts of the Apostles, p. 569

John was accordingly summoned to Rome to be tried for his faith. Here before the authorities the apostle's doctrines were misstated. False witnesses accused him of teaching seditious heresies. By these accusations his enemies hoped to bring about the disciple's death.

Conclusion
As can be seen from the Spirit of Prophecy, Ernie has the authority to edit the dreams as needed.

The 144,000

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“In speaking to Ernie, it was evident that he believed some of the 144,000 had already died. In his friendly, loquacious way, he was upfront with his belief that he was probably #143,998 . . . and he stopped really quickly, backed up, and said, ‘Well, there aren’t that many more left to be made up. The number is almost made up and as soon as it is, it will be over.’ He was clear in his belief that God started making up the 144,000 ever since 1844 and that at the Close of Probation, not all would be alive. However, at the special resurrection, they would all be raised to see Jesus come. When I asked where he got that belief, Becky quickly quoted from Early Writings, I believe it was, referring to where Ellen White had asked to eat of the fruit of the tree of life.

“The angel told her something along the lines of: ‘All who eat of the fruit of this land, nevermore return to earth. However, if you are faithful, you with the 144,000 will have the pleasure of visiting all the worlds in God’s creation.’
“This, Ernie and Becky believed, proved that Ellen White was one of the 144,000. However, if I invite David Gates to come speak at my church and I stand with David Gates on the platform, that does not necessarily mean that I am David Gates. I am only standing with him.”

Fact
Ernie admits that at the beginning of his calling he misunderstood the 144,000. Some in Adventism still believe what Ernie did. In fact, two of Adventism’s pioneers--Uriah Smith and J. N. Loughborough--taught this view as quoted below.

Uriah Smith

Review and Herald, August 10, 1897

Thus the evidence seems clear and conclusive that the 144,000 are gathered from the last generation before Christ comes; that they are brought out by the third angel's message; that even those of them who die in the message are blessed, being restored to the number by resurrection before Christ appears; and that all crowned at last with the peculiar privilege of composing the cabinet of the King of kings and Lord of lords, to follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth (Rev.14:4), joyful in His constant presence, and sustained by His unfailing grace. Rev.7:15,17.

By J. N. Loughborough

Questions on the Sealing Message, 1916, pp. 3-4

In reference to the subject matter of this book - the sealed 144,000 - I have been greatly moved by the Spirit of God to write and publish the facts as to how the sealing message was obtained - not only from the Bible, but by direct instruction in visions of Sister E. G. White; also as to how the message was received and taught by our ministers and people down to the year 1894, when the "new light" theory found its advocate in one who afterwards apostatized from the faith, and died without seeing the fulfillment of his expectation that he would live to the end of time, and hence be one of the 144,000. His claim was that later testimonies of Sister White taught that all the 144,000 would be made up of those who had never died.

When I found that some were teaching that "all of the 144,000 who will be sealed are now living," I thought it time that someone should speak, and show that it is not the manner of God's prophets to make positive statements at one time, and afterwards teach entirely contrary to them. Such surely was not the course of Bible prophets. The whole of this "new light" is produced by taking words out of their connection, and away from the things of which they are spoken, and giving them a general application, as you will see when we come to the analysis of the matter.

You will find these two works on the Ellen G. White Writings Comprehensive Research edition, 2008. (CD)

David Starkey says:

"As there are many questions circulating about statements made by Ernie Knoll in and around March of 2007, I would like to offer the following:

Mr. Knoll, at my invitation, came to speak at two of the local SDA churches in my area. During the afternoon meeting, he discussed the 144,000 indicating that the sealing started back in Ellen White’s day. He further stated that the 144,000 were nearly made up. He made reference to Ellen White being one of the 144,000.

As host for the speaking event, I was concerned, as I knew this was not correct. I presented documentation to support this concern. Ernie was perplexed. I asked him to tell me exactly what Jesus said. He said that Jesus said that His people were being sealed since 1844. I pointed out that the sealing spoken of in Ellen White’s day did not mean that they would be part of the 144,000. This simply means that those who died keeping all the commandments were sealed and would be resurrected at the last day. The references given below describe the sealing Jesus discussed.

The Signs of the Times 03-22-1910

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God. It points to God as the Creator, and is the sign of His rightful authority over the beings He has made. Those who obey this law will bear the seal of God, for He has set apart this day as a sign of loyalty between Himself and His people. To Moses on Mount Sinai He said, "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep; for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you."

Last Day Events

The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast
PG- 222

I saw that she [Mrs. Hastings] was sealed and would come up at the voice of God and stand upon the earth, and would be with the 144,000. I saw we need not mourn for her; she would rest in the time of trouble.--2SM 263 (1850).

Manuscript Releases Volume Fifteen
PG- 225

What is the condition of those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus? If in families there are those who are refusing obedience to the Lord in keeping His Sabbath, then the seal cannot be placed upon them. The sealing is a pledge from God of perfect security to His chosen ones (Ex. 31:13-17). Sealing indicates you are God's chosen. He has appropriated you to Himself. As the sealed of God we are Christ's purchased possession, and no one shall pluck us out of His hands. The seal given in the forehead is God, New Jerusalem. "I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God" (Rev. 3:12).

Ernie acknowledged that Jesus spoke to him about the sealing of His people, not that these sealed ones made up the 144,000, which he assumed to be the case. The point in sharing this event is that Ernie Knoll, along with the rest of us are capable of misinterpreting the messages. I am reminded of William Miller, who was directed by God to give the message he did in 1843 and 1844. He thought that the Earth was the sanctuary and therefore it would be cleansed by fire, which to him represented the 2nd coming of Christ. Even though his interpretation was incorrect, it did not invalidate or in any way diminish the message.

Jesus taught many things in a manner not always easy to understand. Many of His messages were given in parables. The disciples often asked Jesus to speak to them plainly, as they did not understand. Even after Jesus resurrection, they did not fully understand His mission as they inquired if He would now set up His kingdom.

There is no question that the messages being given to Ernie Knoll are from God. Any person with a true heart who is willing to pray and study them out for themselves will hear God’s voice in them. Each time a new message comes; we should study what it says to see if everything is in agreement with scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. The references for the dreams come from doing just that.

After the meetings of March 2007, Ernie changed his talk concerning the 144,000 and those sealed. I do not count this as a fault, but rather a credit to him that he is humble enough to acknowledge a misinterpretation. To those who criticize him for statements made at the beginning of this ministry, I ask you to put yourself in his place. This was and is a daunting and solemn task. How many of us would be willing to put ourselves to so much criticism and scrutiny for the sake of God’s revealed word? God knew exactly what he was doing when He chose Ernie Knoll. I will also add that over the last year, Ernie, his wife Becky, and many people all over the world have prayed and searched the scriptures more diligently than ever before and have been blessed immensely by doing so. Lives have been changed and many have been drawn closer to our Saviour as a result of Ernie’s willingness to share these messages. Remember; by their fruits you shall know them. A good tree brings forth good fruit."

Summation
David Starkey invited Ernie to speak in his area. When Ernie discussed the 144,000, David was concerned because it was not correct, so he provided Ernie with some Spirit of Prophecy references. Ernie accepted these and changed his understanding of the 144,000. Since it was David who was instrumental in showing Ernie the truth of the 144,000, and since he was Ernie’s webmaster from the beginning, why would he post dreams that contradicted his own understanding of the 144,000? Laura Lee expects us to believe that after David convinced Ernie he was wrong, he then put on the website Ernie’s dream that “supposedly” contradicted Ellen White regarding the 144,000. This does not make sense.

Conclusion
Simply because Ernie had a wrong understanding of the 144,000 doesn’t mean his dreams are not of God. At the time of Christ, John the Baptist and all the Jews, including the disciples, had a wrong conception of the Messiah’s first Advent. William Miller and those who expected Jesus to return in 1844, including Ellen White, misunderstood the 2,300 day prophecy. Joseph Bates tried to share the truth of the Sabbath with Ellen White, but she refused to accept it, and this was after she had started receiving visions. God takes us where we are and reveals His truth to us.

Personal interpretation

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“I wasn’t sure whether or not this was his own, personal interpretation of the 144,000 or whether or not he had expressly been told this in the dream.

“I asked Ernie, point blank: ‘Is this what you believe about the 144,000, or was this told you by the Great Instructor in your dream – that the 144,000 have been being made up since 1844 and that some will be resurrected at the special resurrection?’ (Initially, he never referred to Jesus in his dream. He only ever referred to the ‘Great Instructor.’ Referring to the Great Instructor as ‘Jesus’ is part of later editing.)

“Ernie promptly answered, ‘The Great Instructor explained it all to me in the dream.’

“ ‘Just like that?’ I pressed.
“ ‘Just like that,’ he insisted. Ernie went on to say that he wasn’t a big Bible scholar and the Great Instructor knew that, so He’d had to tell Ernie everything He wanted him to know.”

Fact
We must remember this phone conversation cannot be verified; therefore, it is not proof of what Ernie supposedly said. The simple facts are that He misunderstood what he was shown, interpreting what Jesus had said to him based on his own understanding of the 144,000. Ernie knows full well that God is not going to reveal everything He wants him to know. That is why the Lord stressed Bible and Spirit of Prophecy study and prayer in the dreams. (The “Great Instructor” is covered later in this chapter.)

God says:

The Desire of Ages, pp. 392-393

As those disaffected disciples turned away from Christ, a different spirit took control of them. They could see nothing attractive in Him whom they had once found so interesting. They sought out His enemies, for they were in harmony with their spirit and work. They misinterpreted His words, falsified His statements, and impugned His motives. They sustained their course by gathering up every item that could be turned against Him; and such indignation was stirred up by these false reports that His life was in danger.

The news spread swiftly that by His own confession Jesus of Nazareth was not the Messiah. And thus in Galilee the current of popular feeling was turned against Him, as, the year before, it had been in Judea.

Conclusion
Ernie freely admits that at the beginning of his ministry he had a wrong understanding of the 144,000. Ernie does pray and read the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy more than ever. He continues to learn new things from not only what God has revealed in the past but what He continues to reveal through his dreams.

No call to repentance?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“Just one week after my last conversation with Ernie, he was due to be visiting some churches back in the Mid-West, one of which a friend of mine attends. After attending, she was very troubled. She said, ‘There was no call to repentance. All it was, was him standing up there and talking about what everything looked like. But never was there any deep call to seek the Lord and obey Him and repent.’ The whole spirit, she said, was just wrong and she was very oppressed the entire following week.”

Fact
Ernie was asked to share his dreams. He was not asked to have an altar call. He is a messenger not a trained evangelist. Following are some of the points that were shared in the above-referenced meeting.

• A description of heaven, of Jesus and His great love.
• The perfect music of heaven and the proper music we are to use in our worship services.
• Do not get caught up in the trivial things of this world.
• Horrible events are to happen but these need to happen before Jesus returns.
• Jesus will be with us in all our tests and trials.
• Do not worry about today or tomorrow because Jesus is coming.
• Bible texts and Spirit of Prophecy quotes were also shared.

These are messages of inspiration, encouragement, love, warning and reform. After sharing the dreams, there was a question and answer time. Most wanted to hear the description of heaven; some asked questions on the topic of reform. Soon after this meeting, Ernie did receive the dream, “A Call to Repentance.”

Conclusion
If some do not receive a blessing from this, one can only feel sorry for them. There were those who did receive a blessing and wanted to do what was necessary to prepare for Christ’s return. From Signs of the Times, May 17, 1883: “If any at the close of the convocation meeting still feel that they are not blessed, the fault is with themselves.”

Third-hand information

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“Apparently, that Saturday night, two men visited with Ernie until late in the night. They, too, had picked up on the discrepancies with what Ernie was saying about the 144,000. They showed him from Spirit of Prophecy where what he was saying was in clear contradiction to what Ellen White said. At one point, the conversation got a little heated and Ernie stated that he didn’t care what Ellen White said, he would believe what was told him in his dreams. The two men would not back down that he was wrong in his stance because Spirit of Prophecy said so clearly the exact opposite of what he was claiming the Great Instructor told him.”

Fact
Laura Lee was not in that meeting. The information she received was third-hand. A person at the meeting she speaks of, who was also offended about what Ernie Knoll was shown about feast days, told a friend of Laura Lee about it, who then told Laura Lee. Does this make her an authority on what was actually said? David Starkey, however, was there, since the meeting occurred in his home. This is what he had to say: “The event spoken of occured in our family room. Ernie made no such statement about holding the dreams above Ellen White's writings. In fact, he took the documents I provided from her writings and studied them to understand his misinterpretation of what Jesus told him.” What has Laura Lee done?

God says:

Battle Creek Letters, pp. 119-120

Men have linked up with you to do a work, the consequences of which they did not understand. You have been the spokesman repeating the words of accusation and condemnation of the arch-deceiver. Your science has been used to benumb the sensibilities and confuse the judgment of others. In long night-talks you have presented your mind and plans and works have become their mind and plan and works. In listening to your words, these men have imbibed the very science of the tempter. You have twisted and manipulated and misstated and misrepresented the testimonies that God has given, making them of no effect.

This whole matter has been presented to me. You have worked as Lucifer worked in the heavenly courts to persuade his associates to unite with him. The enemy has used his arts upon your mind. Your boasted study of science and your assertion that you had obtained something excellent have deceived the men connected with you, and they have refused to listen to the warnings sent to keep them from listening to your false representations.

Conclusion
Laura Lee’s description of what happened is not correct. Since she was not there, her description amounts to nothing, especially since David Starkey was there and he contradicts her.

Ernie being coached?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“One of the men, who later became his webmaster and is his staunch supporter, told him, ‘You can’t do that, Ernie. You can’t put any of yourself and your own interpretation on things. You MUST say only what was told you.’ This man has kind of taken Ernie under his wing and began coaching him. Anytime some little discrepancy would creep in, he would point to what is actually said in Spirit of Prophecy and ask, ‘Ernie, are you putting too much ‘Ernie’ in again?’ ”

Fact
Laura Lee reached a conclusion without the evidence. What discrepancies crept in that David Starkey managed to keep out? Where is the proof?

God says:

Selected Messages, Book 1, p. 64

The fact in the case is, that in these visions I was carried forward to the time when the resurrected saints shall be gathered into the kingdom of God. In the same manner the judgment, the second coming of Christ, the establishment of the saints upon the new earth have been presented before me. Does anyone suppose that these scenes have yet transpired? My adversaries show the spirit by which they are actuated in thus accusing me of deception on the strength of a mere "conjecture."

Selected Messages, Book 1, p. 72

It matters not how blameless the character and life of those who speak to the people the words of God; this procures for them no credit. And why? Because they tell the people the truth. This, brethren, is my offense. But if a false report is circulated, if by some inference or conjecture an imputation is cast upon the character of Christ's ambassador, with what absurd credulity is it received! How many are ready to magnify and spread the slander! Such are revealing their real character. "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God" (John 8:47).

Summation
Ellen White’s critics also spoke falsely of her, and people were ready to spread the slander.

Conclusion
Laura Lee speaks as though she knows all the facts, yet she provides absolutely no evidence to support her case. Amazingly, people are ready to spread her false reports.

Ernie changed his view so he wouldn’t lose supporters?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“This is very troublesome to me. First of all, I know that, a week and a half before this man ever spoke to him, I asked him point blank whether or not what he was saying about the 144,000 was his own interpretation or not. When he answered that it was what the Great Instructor had explained to him in the dream, I pressed him, wanting to know if the Great Instructor had explained the 144,000 to him just like that and he confirmed that it was indeed, just like that.

“Then, a week and a half later, he meets with two men who know their Spirit of Prophecy and won’t back down and he sees that he may lose a following if he doesn’t back down and all of a sudden it’s because he put ‘too much Ernie’ into it?” Either he lied to me or he lied to them. Either way, he lied to one of us.”

Fact
Ernie never lied to either of them. This has already been explained earlier in this chapter. Laura Lee provides no proof to support her statements. She assumes the reason why Ernie accepted he was wrong on the 144,000 and provides no proof to support it. There is a big difference between an assumption and the truth. The truth is that David Starkey provided the evidence Ernie needed to understand the correct viewpoint. Ernie was actually distraught because he did not want to lead anyone astray on this subject. It was not because he was concerned about losing supporters. (Note: Later, in the “Two Cars” dream, Ernie was told that Ellen White would be with, not a part of, the 144,000.)

God says:

Matthew 7:1-2

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Selected Messages, Book 1, p. 64

In another passage from the book A Word to the Little Flock, I speak of scenes upon the new earth, and state that I there saw holy men of old, "Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Daniel and many like them." Because I speak of having seen these men, our opponents conjecture that I then believed in the immortality of the soul and that having since changed my views upon this point, I found it necessary to suppress that passage. They are as near the truth here as in other conjectures.

Conclusion
Satan never changes his tactics. Ellen White’s critics falsely accused her and so do Ernie’s.

Angry with God?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“There are other serious problems, too, such as his admission that the night before his ‘heaven’ dream he was so angry at God over his health problems that he was yelling at God and telling Him that he hated Him.”

Fact
Here is what actually happened: It was the same night of the dream that Ernie thought could be his last, in which he prayed fervently and silently to himself that God would come down and speak to him. He needed to sense God’s love and closeness. He needed some answers to his questions. Ernie was not feeling anger or hate toward God, nor did he yell at Him.

Conclusion
It is a shame that Laura Lee did not get her facts straight or remember correctly what Ernie really stated.

Ernie does not know his Bible all that well?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“What troubles me most, however, is that under the man’s tutelage, discrepancies that would be and should be red flags are weeded out. Ernie repeatedly told me that he didn’t know his Bible and Spirit of Prophecy all that well. Having someone ‘cover’ for him, weeds out what would be warning signs – and that really concerns me.”

Fact
The “weeding out” has already been discussed earlier in this chapter. Regarding Ernie not knowing the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy that well, he was being conservative when he made that statement. God showed him that he knows it better than he thinks. As stated in chapter 4, it is more important to follow what you know than to be a “giant” in Scripture knowledge but not follow it. If David Starkey was “covering” for him, then he would have never brought to Ernie’s attention about the misunderstanding on the 144,000.

Conclusion
Again, Laura Lee, where is the proof?

Great Instructor

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“. . . the term ‘Great Instructor’ has largely been replaced with ‘Jesus’ which was never used before.”

Fact
Jesus’ name was added to the dream to help clarify who the Great Instructor was, because Ernie had received many emails inquiring about it. A few other dreams had explanations added to them afterwards as clarification to misunderstandings.

God says:

The Christian Educator, August 1, 1897

In Christ the deity was represented. He was the great instructor in divine philosophy.

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 15, p. 301

The conference at Minneapolis was the golden opportunity for all present to humble the heart before God and to welcome Jesus as the great Instructor, but the stand taken by some at that meeting proved their ruin.

Conclusion
The term “Great Instructor” was also used by Ellen White to describe Jesus as a teacher. The term “Jesus, the Great Instructor” was included so that the reader would know without question Who was speaking. Jesus has many titles, because He does many things.

In Ellen White’s writings, she not only refers to Jesus as the Great Instructor, but as the Great Physician (listed over 400 times on the Ellen White CD). Does Laura Lee have a problem because Ellen White did that? If not, then why raise objections when Ernie does?

Not "bad-mouthing" Ernie?

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“I am not trying to bad-mouth Ernie. I am not going around after him and sharing with all and sundry my experience with him. Neither am I trying to convince you to believe as I do. That is not my job; that’s the Holy Spirit’s job to convince all as they study for themselves.”

Fact
In sharing this unsubstantiated evidence against Ernie with David Gates, Laura Lee has proved that she has bad-mouthed God’s messenger. David Gates, in turn, shared her letter in his newsletter. Where else did it go from there?

God says:

Matthew 12:37

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Selected Messages, Book 1, p. 40

I saw the state of some who stood on present truth, but disregarded the visions--the way God had chosen to teach in some cases, those who erred from Bible truth. I saw that in striking against the visions they did not strike against the worm--the feeble instrument that God spake through--but against the Holy Ghost. I saw it was a small thing to speak against the instrument, but it was dangerous to slight the words of God.

Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 96

I would speak in warning to those who have stood for years resisting light and cherishing the spirit of opposition. How long will you hate and despise the messengers of God's righteousness? God has given them His message. They bear the word of the Lord. There is salvation for you, but only through the merits of Jesus Christ. The grace of the Holy Spirit has been offered you again and again. Light and power from on high have been shed abundantly in the midst of you. Here was evidence, that all might discern whom the Lord recognized as His servants. But there are those who despised the men and the message they bore. They have taunted them with being fanatics, extremists, and enthusiasts. Let me prophesy unto you: Unless you speedily humble your hearts before God, and confess your sins, which are many, you will, when it is too late, see that you have been fighting against God. Through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, no longer unto reformation and pardon, you will see that these men whom you have spoken against have been as signs in the world, as witnesses for God. Then you would give the whole world if you could redeem the past, and be just such zealous men, moved by the Spirit of God to lift your voice in solemn warning to the world; and, like them, to be in principle firm as a rock. Your turning things upside down is known of the Lord. Go on a little longer as you have gone, in rejection of the light from heaven, and you are lost. "The man that shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the congregation."

Ernie’s dream says:

Repent, as I am Coming, November 12, 2008

The Father has seen how LJ has caused many to doubt the messages of the messenger. The Father waits for these to approach the throne of mercy, to repent and begin a work of reformation before the marking angel completes the assigned work given and it is too late. The Father is asking those who have erred to show the error of their ways and to not walk proudly by not admitting their sins.

Conclusion
It is a fearful thing to speak against God’s messengers. Isaiah says, “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” Isaiah 5:20-21.

Testing the spirits

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“However, because of your influential position and stating it as you did in your newsletter, I felt I needed to share with you what I know and encourage you to make it a matter of earnest prayer and a whole lot more study before deciding that he must be of God simply because he ‘tested the spirits.’

“I would like to remind you, Brother Gates, that in the late 1980s with the rise of the New Age Christs, demons (when thus ‘tested’) would indeed admit that Jesus Christ came ‘in the flesh’ – but they did it for purposes to deceive.

“There is a difference between ‘spiritism’ and ‘occultism.’ Spritism is simply a belief in communicating with the dead. Occultism, on the other hand, is a belief in magic. ‘Testing’ the spirits is not some magic mantra that will automatically reveal whether they are of God or Satan. The devil knows as well as you or I that Jesus certainly did come in the flesh of Adam after the fall and he’s perfectly willing to admit that (as proven by various testimonies of those who later came out of the New Age movement) for purposes to deceive.”

God says:

Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, p. 246

THE INCARNATION OF JESUS CHRIST, THE DIVINE SON OF GOD, "CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY," IS THE GREAT THEME OF THE GOSPEL. "IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. AND YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM." COLOSSIANS 1:27; 2:9, 10. THE ACCEPTANCE OR REJECTION OF THIS VITAL TRUTH IS ONE OF THE DIVINELY APPOINTED TESTS OF ONE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE THE GIFT OF PROPHECY.

"BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT," WRITES THE APOSTLE JOHN, "BUT TRY THE SPIRITS WHETHER THEY ARE OF GOD: BECAUSE MANY FALSE PROPHETS ARE GONE OUT INTO THE WORLD. HEREBY KNOW YE THE SPIRIT OF GOD: EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS OF GOD: AND EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH IS NOT OF GOD." 1 JOHN 4:1-3.

FALSE PROPHETS DO NOT EXALT CHRIST. THEY RATHER DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES. "SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS," THEY "DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES" AFTER THEMSELVES. ACTS 20:30. TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY TEACH IN A MANNER TO PLEASE THE CARNAL MIND OF THOSE WHO IN THEIR HEARTS "SAY TO THE SEERS, SEE NOT; AND TO THE PROPHETS, PROPHESY NOT UNTO US RIGHT THINGS, SPEAK UNTO US SMOOTH THINGS." ISAIAH 30:10. THESE ALLEGED PROPHETS OR TEACHERS ARE "OF THE WORLD: THEREFORE SPEAK THEY OF THE WORLD, AND THE WORLD HEARETH THEM." 1 JOHN 4:5.

The Signs of the Times, September 3, 1894

But God has given us a rule whereby to test what is truth. The prophet says: "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.". . ." Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God; and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God; and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Ernie's dream says:

Love and Rebuke, April 12, 2008

Several counseled me to “test the spirits.” I was counseled to follow 1 John 4:1-3, which says: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

Knowing that an angel of Satan can only answer that Jesus did not come in the flesh, if the Herald stated this, it would prove that he is an agent of Satan and is trying to deceive many. However, if the Herald answered that Jesus did come in the flesh, then that would mean I am not being deceived. With these verses in mind, I invited some to join me in prayer that if the Father would send another dream that I would be allowed to ask this question of the Herald. This morning I was given the following dream.

Fact

S.D.A. Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 660

Confesseth. . . . seems to carry a twofold meaning: (1) to acknowledge the truth of the doctrine of the incarnation of the Son of God; (2) to reveal in the life the effect of believing this doctrine. The fullest interpretation calls for more than verbal agreement with a teaching: it demands the Christ-filled life.

Not only did the Herald pass the 1 John 4:1-3 test, but he gave an inspiring, detailed account of how he watched Christ from birth until His resurrection. He wanted to leave no doubt in anyone’s mind that he was sent from God. He has passed every biblical test. He has a “Christ-filled life.”

Conclusion
1 John 4:1-3 is a valid test of a prophet or spirit. However, it is not the only test. No test should be used by itself. Ernie never stated that this test ought to be used by itself. We need to keep in mind that Ernie uses this while he is in a dream. Before he had his dream, he prayed that God would give him the correct answer. Jesus tells us, “And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?” Luke 11:9-11. Do we really believe these verses? If so, why couldn’t God answer Ernie’s prayer as well as the others that prayed?

To the law and to the testimony

Laura Lee Jones says: (see Appendix M)

“From what I have studied of his dreams, and I have read every single one of them, they do not stand up to the acid test of ‘to the law and to the testimony.’ ”

Fact
Where is the evidence for this statement?

God says:

2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.

Conclusion
Is it not strange that Laura Lee provides no evidence where Ernie’s dreams do not pass the acid test of “to the law and to the testimony”? She states she had read all the dreams up to April 2008, which is the majority of them, yet her letter has no proof at all. Why would anyone want to believe what she has to say, without evidence, rather than what God has to say?

What does Laura Lee Jones believe?

Now that we have assessed the false accusations Laura Lee made regarding Ernie, it is necessary that the reader know exactly what she believes. Some of this information was discussed in chapter 5. On her website (www.4angelspublications.com), she claims that, “We are Seventh-day Adventists and this website is from a Seventh-day Adventist point-of-view.” However, as we are about to see, she doesn’t even keep the seventh-day Sabbath.

Laura Lee believes:
The Sabbath does not always fall on Saturday, the 7th day, but on different days of the week each month depending on the phase of the moon.

“Their belief is that the ‘true’ system of counting time is tied to what is called a ‘lunisolar’ calendar, based upon both the sun and phases of the moon. They contend every new moon restarts the seven-day cycle, rather than having a continuous seven-day cycle which currently runs the world.

“ ‘I could have gone my whole life and such a concept would have never occurred to me,’ says Laura Lee Vornholt-Jones, a 39-year-old full-time mother in Spokane, Wash., who has adjusted her traditional Seventh-Day Adventist outlook of Saturday observance to this alternate method since learning of it in late 2006. ‘It was Earth-shattering to say the least.’

Vornholt-Jones has posted this theory on her 4AngelsPublications website, where she offers her book on the issue, ‘The Great Calendar Controversy,’ for sale and for free viewing online.

“She told WND she still observes a Sabbath – that is to say, a biblical day of rest – every seven days; but she says the precise day of the week for that Sabbath actually floats from month to month when compared to the Gregorian calendar commonly used today.

The theory suggests whatever day of the week the new moon occurs on, that particular day becomes "Day One" of the month.

Then, count seven days from Day One until you reach the initial Sabbath of the month, which would always be on the eighth calendar day of the month. The next day of rest would be on the 15th, then the 22nd and 29th.”

Source: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=73013

Fact
The Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy both reveal that only Saturday is the Sabbath day.

God says:

Genesis 2:1-3

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:10-11

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Life Sketches, pp. 95-96

Elder Bates was resting upon Saturday, the seventh day of the week, and he urged it upon our attention as the true Sabbath. I did not feel its importance, and thought that he erred in dwelling upon the fourth commandment more than upon the other nine.

But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was open in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark, with their wings spread over the mercy seat, and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly host looking with reverential awe toward the law of God, which had been written by the finger of God.

Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the ten commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts, with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, "It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are therein."

When the foundations of the earth were laid, then was also laid the foundation of the Sabbath. I was shown that if the true Sabbath had been kept, there would never have been an infidel or an atheist. The observance of the Sabbath would have preserved the world from idolatry.

Counsels on Health, p. 491

When thinking men find that our restaurants are closed on the Sabbath, they will make inquiries in regard to the principles that lead us to close our doors on Saturday. In answering their questions we shall have opportunity to acquaint them with the reasons for our faith. We can give them copies of our periodicals and tracts, so that they may be able to understand the difference between "him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not."    

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 17, p. 79

The temptation will come. If you keep the Sabbath, the very day the fourth commandment has specified, you shall have to give up this source of gain. You shall have to close your business on Saturday, the busiest and most profitable day in the week. And when you hesitate to comply with a plain "Thus saith the Lord," because you will lose profit, and riches will not increase unto you, you continue in disobedience to God and bow the knee to Satan as he tempted Christ to do.

The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 4, p. 180

There were some among them, however, who honored the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Such was the belief and practice of Carlstadt, and there were others who united with him. John Frith, who aided Tyndale in the translation of the Scriptures, and who was martyred for his faith, thus states his views respecting the Sabbath: "The Jews have the word of God for their Saturday, since it is the seventh day, and they were commanded to keep the seventh day solemn. And we have not the word of God for us, but rather against us; for we keep not the seventh day, as the Jews do, but the first, which is not commanded by God's law."

The Review and Herald, May 11, 1876

Another brother says it is only a few months since he has been enlightened in regard to the truth by reading a Review. He received the Signs of the Times also; and became convicted through reading these papers that Saturday was the Sabbath of the Lord. He felt that he must have something more than merely the light upon the Sabbath. He wanted to know some things for himself which had never been told him. He offered his first prayer forty miles from home while in camp. He sought the Lord then and there, and had come to this meeting to obtain further light and to follow it. This brother received the ordinance of baptism, and fully identified himself with this people.

Conclusion
The Sabbath fell on the seventh day of the creation week. It was never based on the cycle of the moon. Why would we keep any other day? How would the majority go to church to keep their “Sabbath” during a week day if they held a job? Again, this does not make sense. Worse yet, if you change the calendar you use, it changes other biblical beliefs. With something as important as the Sabbath, why would God not inform His prophet Ellen White that she and the other pioneers were worshipping on the wrong day? If they were wrong, then our entire Seventh-day Adventist Church history would be wrong!

Statements from Laura Lee’s book on lunar sabbaths

“New Moon day was a worship day followed by six working days, with the seventh-day Sabbath on the eighth of the month. Three more successive weeks completed the month.”

“The idea that the Jews have never lost track of the true Sabbath is as erroneous as the idea that the weekly cycle in use today is the same one since Creation.”

“The text, from which they extrapolated the idea that the Sabbath was to start at sunset, is found in Leviticus 23:32: “. . . from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.” Rather than investigating further, Seventh-day Adventists have always just assumed that text applied to the seventh-day Sabbath.”

“Dawn was when a new day started, not sunset.”

God says:

Genesis 1:31-2:3  

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

1 Timothy 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

Isaiah 2:22

Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

Signs of the Times, March 20, 1879

The first week, in which God performed the work of creation in six days and rested on the seventh day, was just like every other week. The great God, in his days of creation and day of rest, measured off the first cycle as a sample for successive weeks till the close of time. "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." God gives us the result of his work on each of the days of creation. Each day was accounted of him a generation, because every day he generated, or produced, some new portion of his work. On the seventh day of the first week God rested from his labor, and then blessed the day of his rest, and set it apart for the use of man. The weekly cycle of seven literal days, six for labor and the seventh for rest, which has been preserved and brought down through Bible history, originated in the great facts of the first seven days.

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 7, p. 173

I have been shown that sleepless vigilance is the price of safety. The truth is still the truth. Not a peg of the principles of our faith has been moved, or will be moved. Even though you and many others apostatize and turn from the precious light that has come to our world, that will not make truth error. Men will arise as they have done to impair confidence in the faith once delivered to the saints

Manuscript Releases, Vol. 7, p. 189

The truths that have been substantiated by the manifest working of God are to stand fast. Let no one presume to move a pin or a foundation-stone from the structure. Those who attempt to undermine the pillars of our faith are among those of whom the Bible says that "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

When did Laura Lee’s issues begin?

Ernie’s dreams say:

Watch, as I Am Coming, August 14, 2007

I see many people sitting in a room with tables. He says, "These are brothers and sisters from your church but are not of the same faith." I notice some have what looks like a long towel with fringes and knots tied in the ends and these are draped around their neck. As they kneel to pray, they pull this cloth over their head. Many have a small round cloth disk on their head. I see many inanimate objects on the tables. There are trumpets laid out but pointed in different directions. I notice scrolls with words underlined and words they have added to the scrolls. I see what I can only describe as cornucopias filled with different kinds of foods. They would also worship a day of the week if the moon was in a certain phase and call it the Sabbath.

If You Love Me, September 4, 2007

Many of the traditions when I was with you on earth are no more. The study of ancient rituals is a device of Satan to keep you pursuing a wrong path. I have shown you this. All I ask now is that you keep My commandments and love Me.

Conclusion
Laura Lee’s issues began when statements were made in the dreams that were contrary to her belief in keeping Jewish feast days and lunar Sabbaths.

Chapter conclusion

Laura Lee misconstrues comments Ernie made without providing proof to support them. If her accusations were to be brought before a court of law, they would be thrown out. God has instructed us on how we are to receive this kind of information:

1 Timothy 5:19

Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 386

The Bible specially teaches us to beware of lightly bringing accusation against those whom God has called to act as His ambassadors. The apostle Peter, describing a class who are abandoned sinners, says, "Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord." 2 Peter 2:10, 11. And Paul, in his instruction for those who are placed over the church, says, "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses." 1 Timothy 5:19.

In her letter, Laura Lee stated she read all of Ernie’s dreams, up to that point, and they did not bear the acid test of “to the law and to the testimony.” Considering she does not pass this test because of her rejection of the true Sabbath, what authority does she have in accusing Ernie of failing the test? What parts of Ernie’s dreams contradict the Bible? Strangely, she does not provide any proof. Might this silence mean that her own beliefs are rebuked in Ernie’s dreams as quoted below?

Sabbath vs. Sunday, June 21, 2007

In my dream, it is early morning as I find myself walking on a sidewalk next to a church. I am taking a couple of my radio controlled airplanes to go fly. As I walk past the church, I hear one man say to another, “Happy Sabbath.” I stop and exclaim, “Sabbath! I thought it was Sunday, not Saturday.” One of the men says, “It is Sunday, the Sabbath.” I turn, smile at him, and say, “Nooooo, Sunday is not the Sabbath, Saturday is.

Ibid.

I now explain to the professor, with the others listening, how today is Sunday, the first day of the week and that the Bible teaches that God created our planet and all life in six days but rested on the seventh day. I share how Saturday has always been referred to as the Sabbath and that in different languages Saturday is called Sabbath. I mention there are several places in the Bible that say the seventh day of the week, Saturday, is the Sabbath. I also state that the fourth commandment is the only one that starts with ‘Remember.’ I ask, “Have you all forgotten?”

Stand Fast, February 5, 2008

A few registers over, I hear a commotion going on. A lady next to us says, “It is one of those people that don’t want to keep God’s day reverent. It’s one of those Saturday people. They are the scourge of the earth. Can’t wait till they can all be done away with.” The Herald says, “It is time to go.”

Get Ready, March 18, 2008

I watch as others stop to discuss the ancient books of the best ways to fly. They get out charts to plot and study the wind currents and try to figure out what is the best way to ascend.

While Ellen White was alive, many rejected her visions because they did not support their ideas.

Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 49

You despise and reject the testimonies because they reprove your darling sins and disturb your self-complacency.

Counsels for the Church, p. 93

In many cases the Testimonies are fully received, the sin and indulgence broken off, and reformation at once commences in harmony with the light God has given. In other instances sinful indulgences are cherished, the Testimonies are rejected, and many excuses which are untrue are offered to others as the reason for refusing to receive them. The true reason is not given. It is a lack of moral courage—a will, strengthened and controlled by the Spirit of God, to renounce hurtful habits.

Ernie’s dream says:

Repent, as I am Coming, November 12, 2008

The Father has seen how the one who calls herself LJ--Laura Lee Jones--follows the observance of feast days and the lunar Sabbaths even though she has been shown that this is wrong. She does not listen to the voice of God the Father but the voice of the father of lies. She misconstrued comments you made and used them against you. God knows how she contacted David Gates and spoke with a lying tongue, convincing him to follow her--a woman that is led by Satan, the prince of deception.

Laura Lee, please refer to Luke 6:42. “Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.”